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Psychokinesis (PK) is the direct influence of mind on a physical system that cannot be entirely accounted for by the mediation of any known physical energy. Psychokinesis includes any direct mind over matter interaction or mental influence upon the structure of a physical system.

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Postby Pungaboy on Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:26 pm

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This is just a hypothetic post. I was wondering what you think would happen if someone had gotten their abilities/guts up enough to go public with it, how do you think the public would react?



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There's different levels of public. You've got your basic public which really means anyone near you that you see on a day to day basis (that doesn't know your secret), the next level which is relatively close to how word spreads in a school, and then theres the mass public, which is everyone.

Now, for one thing, you'd never get the chance to go public to the masses, not at first anyway. You'd have to perform your abilities in public, right in the streets. Like, walk out of school, run, jump, and fly away. Or something equally noticible. Otherwise hardly anyone will believe what they see, and dismiss it as a momentary quirk. It has to be potent enough to shatter their realities, because we, as a species, for the most part, live very isolated for most of our lives. We see everyone else on the streets but there's no connection. We go about our buisiness day to day, impartial and usually judgemental of the person standing next to you doing the same damn thing. Most could never believe something like us can happen unless you slap them in the face with it.

But even then, you can't just go around being pompous about it. Going public requires tact. We can't have the government barging down our doors.

Going public requires a gradual push. Show a few people. Show a few more. Show a street. Show the city. Someone in the city will tell another person and it will spread like wildfire, and then, ONLY then will it be safe for everyone else to know. Knowledge and discovery like this can only be accepted if the adoption of the knowledge is commonplace enough that it doesn't make us look like freaks. We're normal people. We aren't special. We just know more than they do. We feel more than they do. And we use what we know and feel.

Being blatent about it will only get that person unwanted and potentially fatal attention. You have to go public in such a way that you achieve a sort of protection, because the more people that can know about you and accept you, the harder it is to take you out of the picture, to hide you...to kill you? Whatever they do, it gets more and more difficult.

But with that said, once that first person breaches the silence into the public eye, it might very well open up a floodgate for everyone else who has found the knowledge.

I can only hope.

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i see what ur saying archaeum and it is very wise and smart if i found out other people were going public i wud most defo try 2 help and such and mabe even go out myself

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well if a group of people were to get together and decide to go public do you think they would freak out from it or wut?

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yeah i bet theyd freak and call us mutants or somthing, either that or some 1 would call the government and theyd take us away and disect us...i dont even wanna immagine that

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Exactly. People would freak if we went out and immediately tried to show the world. ESPECIALLY if we grouped up. People would fear us so hard. I don't even want to think about that.

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yea i see now what ur saying better than before

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im thinking, what if they do accept us? what do u think would happen?

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whoa cool ive nver done this!lol but ya if u were 2 go public the government probably wont blow it off and say 'oh hey this dude can fly' honestly do u think that they dont no about this website? im sure that some1 in the government is keepin an eye on yall. i say yall cause i cant do anything...'sigh' but ya and wat if they killed 1 of yall if u guys went public? wat would u do? stop practicin it or like strike back? or jus have every1 go public? life is a dangerous game guys u got 2 choose ur moves wisely

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thats exactly what archaeum is saying but if they did kill sum one i knew kinetic wise i would want to take revenge but i would form a group

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eh, i dont think so, if we fight them well be cast out, any 1 see futurama? well probly be in the sewers or somthing

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well ya but if u form a group couldn they like see it as a danger?lol sewers...

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well my view. is if we were to get together, and we were powerful enough they wouldnt want to stand against us. maybe they would view us bad but wut if they just let us be and live on with life?


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also dont worry marcus you will get it if you keep trying, all have done is low level biokinesis and telepathy. I'm still trying though


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well ya but umm ur makin a mistake rite now should u really define urselves and humans as 2 different types of people? i mean isn it bad if ur already considering urselves different from other people before uve even gone public?

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well I'm not actually planning on going public. I said at the begginning of this post that this is only a hypothetical question. And I'm not saying that we are different from humans because ofcourse we are humans too; however, we certainly are distinct and if we were to go public we would be classified differently. Its human nature to give a label


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suppose ur rite but i mean hypothetically wouldn it be better 2 go public wen theres alot more people that can do umm a type of kinesis,or has a certain ability, than wen theres not as many? i mean rite now ur only talkin about like maybe 100 people that we no of that would go public and that really wouldn cause a big change unless u did something REALLY REALLY BIG

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Ya I know, this is just a question not to take it into litteral terms. Although there are more people than you think that have psychic abilities.


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oh well not around here ud be lucky 2 find some1 who thinks its possible

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and hypothetically wat would u do? itd have 2 be big u no i mean wats the biggest feat uve ever done?

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I think we have to much fear I mean expecting the worst is something thats only human but it dosent take just a large group if one person could show just one paranormal thing such as me going out and using Empathic broadcasting to make alot of random people cry that would work not just a big group btu i get what you people are getting at but now isnt the time to go public anyway just think about it.

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well wen would be the rite time 2 go public?

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Well for one when their isnt a massive amount of things going on in the world already ro to put it better when its time to go public

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oh gotta point and would it be better 2 go public with a lot more people or wen its smaller? in my opinion i think it would be better 2 go public wtith alot of people hypothetically of course

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Well technically it would be better with alot but if all of those alot cant really do alot then it wouldnt be much it would just get them laughed at

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ya but wat techniques would u do 2 get there attention? besides cryin?

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Well I dont know its hard to explain for me I already told my girlfriend and a close friend of mine and they both belived me because i proved it and my cousin who is a pyrokinetic he discovered his ability the same time i discovered mine. but my mom she could pull it off effortlessly she can read minds like crazy among other things.

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oh how cool i would love 2 read minds jus like peek in sme1s mind 2 see if they were talkin about me or if they liked some1 or wat a dude was thinkin wen a hot chick bent down...lol

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hahaha

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ya but it must be hard wat do u do wen shes mad at u? jus like sing a song in ur head or wat?

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Well nothing really I havent really "Empressed" any emotion on her but I can sence her emotions which sometimes I hate for private reasons but when I want to Empress an emotion i just force my self to recive the emotion and then i do a few other things and then the person starts to feel the same

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oh..how old r u?

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oh well u seem alot more mature than 14 but oh well watever ya but ima try 2 do somethin 2morrow like meditating well maybe not meditating i dont like it

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yeah i think thats apart of an ability I have regarding empathy I call it Empathic Relation.

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wats that?

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I can basically became another person based on emotions and stuff i can act liek them talk like them almost everything

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oh dude thats awesome who have u done it 2?

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a random person my mom and some kids at school and my girlfriend

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lol wat happened wen u did it 2 ur girlfriend?

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Well I took on her pain and I understood what it was liek to be her and experience things she has it was a very emotional thing.

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oh well that must suck a bit have u ever messed with people?

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sorta i put fear into someone once.

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oh really who?

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this kid who was provokin me into a fight and i couldnt afford it so i just thought about my power and makin him scared all of a sudden he punked out

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wat a pussy lol jk how did u make him scared?

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using Empathic Suggestion

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ya but wat do u do jus wanna make him scared and he gets scared or wt?

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sorta i made myself feel fear then i sorta linked to him and then emagined the fear flwoing to him

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oh thats interesting i would love for some1 2 do it 2 me itd be awesome

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Actualy you wont feel it at all

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so wat my feelings would jus change?

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ya my main developed ability is telepathic suggestion.

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If you have done much work with the psi wheel (the bread and butter excercises) You may have figured out how to pulse your TK so as to only supply a small amount at a time or in bursts. I use my eyes as the reference and imagine those balls spidy shoots out his wrists only balls of psi at any rate if you can tk pulse. try training yourself using your empath skills to attach emotion to it then try to send it in small bursts its more refined and can have some interesting results in traffic. lol

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Hey Shirak, you done yet? I mean, don't get me wrong, contributions are fine, but honestly, you just sort of plunkered in here and started spouting all this information. We don't know you, or what you can do, or how much you actually know, or whether or not you're thinking this stuff up on the spot based on what you 'think' you know. So, ease up a bit man, you're spouting stuff that's wayy ahead of most people here, and aren't going to understand what you mean.

As you were.

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lol archaem dude like told shirak of then he goes 'as u were' lmao! haha thats funny if u ask me

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No your emotions wont change only mine will I can only "become" people I cant make them me.

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then how did u make his feelings scared?

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Hey I joined this forum to share ideas in the hope that I will learn more. I only write the truth about what I can do otherwise Id be talking fricken lazerbeams outa my eyes cause thats cool. I notice that you keep refering to your opinions as we. Everyone here is an individual and has their own opinion unless you are their appointed spokesman. You keep projecting all your insecurities on me and thats got nothing to do with my outlook on reality and has no will neither make me hate you or have bad feelings about you. I am impressed by insight into tk. I supply as much correct info as Ican in an attempt to find someone who trains everyday that is getting similar results. I am pointing my writings to individuals that may wish to or have similar inight that I do. I am training every day and dont se this as a hobby but a lifestyle. Whether or not someone can handle what I write is not going to stop me writing and sharing what I know. If you disagree with something that means you have a different insight to me it doesnt make you wrong or right good or bad it just makes you different. Different can be good if applied constructivly however I am not looking for forum fame money or even friends all I am looking for is insight. If I can share what I have experimented with daily then I will. If you dont accept it thats fine by me I really dont think any less of you or anyone else that does as this will not affect what I know to be true.

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http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?do ... 0&hl=en-AU here is a link to a video I made about the pulse technique I described above a while ago I hope that this provides a better visual than my description. I have another which shows the technique slowed down with a metal wire device however I still need to upload it. I like the idea of developing telepathic suggestion, do you think a good way to practice this would be stand in a shoping center 2nd floor overlooking the lower floor and target the ones that look like they are wandering (no real intent)and send a suggestion that they sit or go in a shop? I might try that this weekend. I am sure I have been the victim of telepathic suggestion. Also many people have the ability to project fear into others. This is a form of mind control. Has anyone experienced this from someone else? I find a position of neutral/centred awareness allows these projections to to flow over me and not find grip. Does anyone else have a technique for fear based projections?

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Ouch. Ok, man. I apologise. I suppose I do do a few pretty insecure things. I don't generally feel insecure though, so thanks for telling me that.


And that's some interesting stuff to think about.

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just to say im hear 2 listen if anyone needs to let anything out im non bias and will give my opinion if asked just wanted to say that

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I understand what hes saying its just a little bit complicated.

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Hmm ok. I just try and be as thourough and detailed as I can on the reverse when I have tried to be simple about it I am often misunderstood. I only try and provide as much detail as possible so as to give a more complete picture. I think this may alienate others. I will think and ponder on this. Thank you both for your insight.

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Look, if anyone went public, with all that is going on in the world we would be instantly weaponized. People would be like "he can set things on fire with his mind hey maybe we could use this in a war." No Real good could come of it. Pretend you are a military officer, what are you going to do? Leave the people alone or force them to "Help" you?


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Good point but how woul d they find us one and 2 we could play dumb and disprove our proof meaning pretend we cant really do what we can

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yea its easy for say a hydrokinetic to do that or a pyro but for a bio or empath which is automatic it could be really hard

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true but what are they gonna do bring a sad person in so ill start crying lol I can just say his situation sucks so bad im crying cause he has nothing to live for

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Empaths make good interigators also those who choose to develop the inherant human emapthic ability can also deliver takeout insead of ordering... good in courtrooms and as negotiators (hostage) There are many jobs that empaths take and do even if they dont know they are one.

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Yea shirak is right you could basically use Empathy to break someone down without even trying Telepathy also.

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Hiding your abilities is all good and fine, until they decide we are going to offer to spare a really high level Telepath as long as they tells us who has abilities and who doesn't. Its like the patriot act for your brain. And if you can block him from reading your mind, you obviously have something to hide and therefore guilty.

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hey guys wouldnt u need 2 plan it? like it'd be better 2 do it in large cities

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Good point Punga but what if you could do like me and manage to wipe your mind for a few moments I know thta sounds dangerois but I dont think its had any negative effects on me

Yeah if we did do it in a large city it would be aa 2 sided coin

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So many have woken up to thier inherent ability it is to late for another Salem

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the way you worded that for some reason sent chills through me lol what do you meant Salem?

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salem witch trials. i think

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ooo i see and if they tried and messed with the wrong person i.e a good pyrokinetic its a crispy free for all then that inturn leads to a retaliation whihc leads to eventually war

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that is not a nice thought burning people i thought us humans were past that sort of barbarianism

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lol ya but i mean lets not jump 2 the worst conclusions lets hope 4 the best but prepare 4 the worst

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yes exactly

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ya but i can c y they would think that

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yea same here

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well anyway so should we keep tryin 2 develop like destructive tech.?

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Not destructive anything that keeps you alive but as well aid you your not just gonna develope a kinetic ability to say hey I can do this you need to have some purpose because without purpose its meaningless

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no dawkins i meant the kinetic would torch them

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o yea i see that now reading it again

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Anyone with enough kinetic control can easily stop hearts beating and lungs breathing however I do not beleive the gift is awakened to that level in people that would do that there is a sort of circuit breaker in people who do those things just read up on what happened to Nina Kulagina

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humm i see but when fear kicks in and complete anger you cant control your ability's very well or at all i know i cant but one day i hope to take full control but yea i think there is a breaker because i tried hurting someone but then i couldn't but i was sort ov angry but not completely overwhelmed but i see what ur getting at

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Actually I can stop my lungs from breathing and my heart for a few seconds an I actually can use my powers for well you might see ti bad depending on your beliefs in kinetic powers but I see it as a good cause using one of my abilities I forced my teacher to recoke the detention he gave two kids for no real good reason

But fear actually improvvses the effectiveness of your aiblity and Ive fount that if your in a state of fear its easier to produce effects you supposedly wouldnt be able to that is according to the beliefs of the perosn who is nalyzing the situation

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Yes I do agree it depends on beliefs I beleive the effect you are talking about is adrenaline not fear. Fear closes the mind its stops the flow of information reflex is different to fear. One can be full of adrenaline however true fear overwhelms the mind it closes it off defensivly to the input of a lot of info it is my beleif that fear based training is well remembered yet limited in the insight it can give just my opinion.

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Yes I do agree it depends on beliefs I beleive the effect you are talking about is adrenaline not fear. Fear closes the mind its stops the flow of information reflex is different to fear. One can be full of adrenaline however true fear overwhelms the mind it closes it off defensivly to the input of a lot of info it is my beleif that fear based training is well remembered yet limited in the insight it can give just my opinion.

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It is limited because the recreation of fear is difficult right? I've found a good shot of fear helps me move things.


Oh and Fifth, you would need to mindwipe yourself for more than a few seconds.

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Fear or adrenaline?

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Fear

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hmmm what a different experience to my own that is interesting and worth pondering thank you.

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for me it works either way fear or adrenalin or both any emotion if it is strong can work but thats just me

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Well, fear released adrenaline.

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I have found adrenaline clears my head and the energy flows easier. I have done experiments with this. What I define as fear however makes it hard to think...

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how do u release adrenaline?

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Adrenaline is the chemical released when something makes you jump, i.e. afraid.

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Adrenaline can also be released as a response to love ie when your with a hot girl. OR excitment wherein you have not closed yourself off because of fear

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hum but if the adrenal glands are above the kidneys so if a bio kinetic can activate them he can have a large amount of energy in a short period of time

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Or start enlarging them.

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There is more enrgy in the calm wherin you access the field of pure potentiallity

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But I can't do that.

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I'm energy retarded.

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energy retarded lol energetically challenged is more appropriate

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Try reading some books on zen or taichi or chi kung the same balanced calm mindset you use for them works great for tk. I myself have used my taichi energy training and mindset to help direct the enrgy I use. In fact you will learn with taichi how it is much easier to use the available kinetic energy in a system to accomplish the desired movement than spending your own.
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Postby Marcus on Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:25 pm

oh cool u posted it umm ya i n0o how adrenaline works but and stuff but is there any other way 2 release it?
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Postby Pungaboy on Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:39 pm

hypnosis maybe.
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Postby Dawkins on Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:43 pm

na excersise anger excitement emotions strong ones
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Postby Marcus on Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:06 pm

oh...wow we got way off subject
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Postby Pungaboy on Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:18 pm

we should get back to the topic, as i typed numerous times, i dont think revealing ourselves is a good idea.
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Postby Marcus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:47 pm

oh i do
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Postby Dawkins on Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:12 am

u think its a good idea god where r u commng form Jupiter general public are assholes chavs and hate anything new
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Postby Pungaboy on Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:41 pm

but I don't have much faith in people, most of these abilities could be viewed as a weapon. Like take pyrokineis for example, and witha little fuel, bam you are a human flame thrower.
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Postby Dawkins on Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:11 pm

yea that to well be taken for experiments and used and abused and no one wants that and the thing that will legalese it will be were not properer humans and the American government can get away with anything
if any of us goes to them of is forced to them then i will hunt them down or save them because its not right and i fell very strongly about this
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Postby Pungaboy on Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:02 pm

wow I see that. But I don't think it will be testing as much as weaponizing. Think of an assasin that can kill you just by thinking about you.
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Postby Marcus on Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:35 pm

well i think that...well idk but i mean u cant stay a secret 4ever well hav 2 tell them but first in case somethin like that does happen ull probably need some type of technique for defensive purposes
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Postby Dawkins on Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:44 pm

ive already got a few
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Postby Marcus on Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:51 pm

like wat?
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Postby Pungaboy on Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:09 pm

Then you just created a war on a new plain. Its like when people created the atomic bomb, everyone started to stockpile warheads. And that would happen if any military decided to use this for a offensive reasons everyone would start.
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Postby Marcus on Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:54 pm

thanku i agree. but we should still hav somethin 2 protect ourselves wit
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Postby Pungaboy on Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:24 pm

Well I believe we still count as humans so we have our basic freedoms.
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Postby Marcus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:33 pm

well thats true
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Postby Dawkins on Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:04 pm

well not really the law can e twisted as ive seen many times
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Postby Marcus on Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:35 pm

lol good argument but still idk... we should hav some tech. but i dont want alot of pepole coming 2 this site and learning how 2 like cause a car 2 blow up u no? maybe we should make a usergroup devoted 2 it and hav certain mambers able 2 join
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Postby Pungaboy on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:21 pm

But see thats just it If ther really needed to get rid of us all the governments would really have to do is shut down all psionic related sites. Make this all classified information. Call us a hazard to national security and bam we are all locked away nice and tight. There would be no order. lol I just keep swiching sides on this.
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Postby Marcus on Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:29 am

lol i no
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Postby Pungaboy on Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:36 pm

I don't have much faith that a good result would be imminent.
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Postby Marcus on Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:06 pm

wat comes comes
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Postby Dawkins on Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:07 pm

well we could always have a skype talk online and post it on random sites if u get what i mean so like the governments would have to shut down the entire internet which is impossible and even if we did get cut off i would find away i know alot of people who could help and also if the started 'getting rid of us' i thin kwe should strike back not go peacefully if we have to wipe out the we wipe out trying
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Postby Marcus on Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:50 pm

well dangit dude watever lets try focusing on now and quit worrying about the future
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Postby Dawkins on Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:20 pm

the future is what im good at i cant do the present well i can but hey i like the future
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Postby Pungaboy on Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:27 am

The future i think is more important than the present. Looking at the present is like staring at your feet and walking, eventually you will hit a wall. Looking ahead is like looking in front of yourself, you can only see what is coming but you can't see what is going on around you.
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Postby Dawkins on Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:05 am

well you sort ov can preiferial vision but yea future better than present past is good also helps us with our mistakes
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Postby Marcus on Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:10 am

i dont think that way
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